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Leveraging Digital Assets For SEO: SMX London 2010 Recap
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Rob Sheppard – Ask Jeeves
Rob represents Ask.com which was the first to implement universal search amongst the search engines. He starts by stating he’s not an SEO expert so won’t be going into the optimisation stuff much himself. Fair enough. iving an overview behind the concept of including non-text / non-standard results in the search – they found that their users really liked them – more relevance for some queries, freshness and variety of content.
While universal means there’s less space for your regular rankings to show up, there’s also more opportunities for added visibility. He shows examples from Google, Yahoo and Ask for the query “how to mend a bicycle puncture”. All use video results on the SERP, all from sites like Videojug. He says a key issue to deal with is the fact that very few authoritative sources of video keep showing up. He then looks at an election SERP, looking at results for Brown, Cameron and Clegg in Google, Ask and Bing all of which show a variety of different universal results, including biographies, news, images, video etc.
He talks about why users like universal search – this is based on polling and user data of Ask’s searchers.
How can I make the most of opportunities from Universal Search? He goes through the standard basics: upload to the big sites that actually get shown (youtube, Videojug, etc), use RSS feeds to your content,
There are a pile of text heavy notes in the slides – hopefully these will be available later and you’ll be able to see it for yourself.
Social media sites are taking universal search from a ‘nice to have’ to a standard feature of SERPS
Key tip: we believe the most important factor in search is answering questions. So always try and answer questions in your content – look at Q&A sites like Yahoo Answers, etc
Question from the floor: if you have lots of videos and a video sitemap, should you also upload them to Youtube to get them ranked in Ask Jeeves? Rob answers that if you have thousands of videos it’s probably not worth it; we’ll try to find the content on your site. But it’s definitely a good idea to be visible on youtube as well.
Ian Strain-Seymour – Bazaarvoice
Ian is going to talk about ‘customer voice’. He asks who knows what this means, a few reluctant hands go up. It sounds like a fancy word for ‘reviews’ to me
What is the voice of a customer:
- authentic conversations
- you and the customer
- B2B with supplier
- engineered fake conversations between shill accounts set up by marketers (OK, he didn’t really say that, I made it up – just checking you’re still paying attention)
He talks about customer reviews in microformats. They’re still in very early days and its worth getting into from this stage if you have reviews on your site. He displays the reviews shown up from a search for “nikon d5000“.
He then mentions using realtime search. “If you have a strong following in social media, put out questions to them about your products and let Google do the hard work”.
To be honest I’m losing motivation to keep up with covering this talk. He’s basically saying “look at this, you should do it too”, speaking very fast and not really adding much we don’t already know IMO. At one point he said “if you don’t understand you’re welcome to leave the room”. I think this was a joke, but no-one laughed. As far as I know, no-one left the room either.
A Question about twitter leads to a gem from Rob Kerry: some people are trying out leaving HTML links in twitter streams – sites that have twitter streams on their sites then conver these into links! Awesome.
(someone) – SundaySky
Sorry, I didn’t catch this dude’s name – he is a replacement speaker from the guy billed to speak. He starts by looking at heatmaps on universal SERPs and the fact that videos in blended results attract people and get more clickthroughs. Has anyone not seen this already?
He mentions that getting a video result improves your chances of ranking well – I’m not sure if he’s suggesting that if your youtube video ranks in universal search there is a knock on effect on your standard result… have submitted it as a question but would be interested to know if anyone has found this.
He looks at an example of Overstock.com using video content on their product pages. Goes through some tips for using video content:
- Each video should have its own URL
- Submit a video sitemap with compelling thumbnails – don’t leave it up to google to choose your thumbnails
- Keep video section as frequently updated as possible
- Add as much video content as you can – more = better chance of ranking
- Have a dedicated videos section on your site
My question got asked re whether he is saying that having a Youtube video indexed actually helps your standard organic result. He says his gut feeling is yes
Rob Kerry – Ayima
Rob is talking about Google News and how it helps with SEO.
G News is a short term way of getting into the Top 10 for your most competitive terms.
Also, if G is starting to take more notice of clickthroughs to particular sites, surely clicks on News results can help your sites’ overall CTR metrics. This also applies to personalisation – if you can get quick visibility / clicks via news results
Rob goes through some technical requirements for getting into Google News – s
Images, Images, Images – these are so important with Google news – each article should have a related image with standardised size, 300×250 or (?) -ie not a specific size, just the same size every time. You can get visibility just through an image not a headline and this often gets the most clickthroughs.
Multiple authors are required to get into Google News to weed out smaller / less authoritative sites. An automated / greyhat example of how to fake your way in is use services like Textbrokers, getting housewives etc to rewrite latest news stories to generate content for your site. Also fake author names are FINE
Q&A Session
- Question about getting rejected by G News editors – can you then get reconsidered easily – Rob says you definitely can – one example based around the fact that G News editors are based in the US so you can take advantage of that. He’s replied to them basically saying “How dare you, don’t you know that this is actually a really authoritative site in the UK” – that seems to have worked and got it reconsidered. “So you need to be Billy Big Bollocks with them sometimes”. The other more corporatey speakers look a bit uncomfortable at this point. Legend.
- There are some questions about building links to assets like images and videos to help them rank. There is general agreement to this. I’d suggest speaking to @NicholaStott about this – had a quick chat with her about this very subject over a fag at lunchtime and she definitely thinks that’s a winner. She’s also written a blinding post about this on State of Search. (there – how to get into liveblogging notes without actually speaking at the event!)
- Question about whether number of views to videos / channels affects visibility. It certainly does. Rob then talks about using fake IPs / accounts to generate fake views and how the price of proxy servers would go through the roof if this worked. Dixon Jones says proxy servers are generally very underrated. This greyhat exchange between Rob and Dixon causes some more uncomfortable shifting from others on the panel – LOVE IT!
- If you have a well ranking page and you want to add a video , should you create a new landing page for the video or put it on the existing page. The guy from SkySunday (sorry I will get his name eventually) said put it on your existing page, unless you can’t for some reason.
- There was a question about Google News: (a) if you use news sitemaps can you get around needing a 3 digit code in the URL, (b) do i need to separate News content from Blog content to get it indexed. Rob answered (a) no you still need them and (b) yes separate them otherwise you might only end up in Blog search which is crap. I disagree with Rob on both answers! You can override the need for digits in news URLs using a News Sitemap (I’ve done it and been accepted without a problem), and (b) Blogs can and frequently do get accepted in Google News (eg Fresh Egg blog) and I think you’re missing a trick by excluding all your blog content this way! (see, I don’t agree with everything Rob says
) - I submitted a question about services that offer fake views on videos to ramp up their power. Do they work and how smart are the video sites at detecting these. Rob mentioned Subvert & Profit which offers exactly this, including star ratings etc. However these are very risky and do leave a footprint. Digg has recently banned such a network and claim to have a very mature algo for detecting this. A better one would be to enlist one of many social media professionals who have strong networks to help increase views etc – much less risky.
- A little blackhat reputation management one from Rob: you can flood out negative mentions of your brand on Twitter using a network of fake twitter accounts and basically just drowning the negative stuff out with noise
Awesome session. Mainly because of Rob’s (and Dixon’s) contributions, but the dude from SundaySky had some pretty useful video optimisation tips.
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